TO18 2N2222 VS other exotic transistors

[GrooveChampion]

Is it me or do most layout that call for exotic low Hfe transistors like the 2n1308 can be substituted for a TO18 2n2222 with the right Hfe with little difference in sound?

[HamishR]

Well I've done that.  It worked.  But then I like using metal can 2N2222As in Muffs.  :-)  In fact my favourite Muff right now is based on a Skreddy Pink Flesh but with 2N2222As and no clippers on the third gain stage.  It's almost a muddy OD at low gain - and incredibly touch responsive.  One of the most fun pedals I've built.

I have some 2N1308s and have been thinking of using them to build a similar Muff.  It's a bit like a Supa Tone Bender except I leave the clipping diodes off the wrong tranny.  :-)  And I have used 2N1308s in things like the Red Rooster which calls for Ge.  They work but don't sound as fat.  Still a good sound though.

[GrooveChampion]

I forgot the 2N1308 are GE, I confused them with the 2N1711 that are in the EQD Dirt Transmitter. I am honestly wondering how I am still somewhat sane with all these 2N's around. Anyway, I was asking this question BECAUSE of the 2N1711.

For all NPN GE applications I ordered some Soviet MP38's.

[Silver Blues]

Can confirm about the 2222s in Muffs, I have a Black Russian build with 2222s and D223As that rips. High-gain transistors are usually called for in Muffs but you'd be surprised what you can do with the low-gainers.

[GrooveChampion]

Like MP38s in NPN Fuzz Faces and Rangemasters?

[Travis]

It’s not specific to one transistor type in any way. The Fuzz Face and Rangemaster don’t need high hfe transistors and they didn’t come with high hfe transistors originally

[GrooveChampion]

Well, I've seen differences I remember when I first started building pedals I tried a BC108C Sunface and I couldnt get it to work right. Last week I found those BC108C's and turns out they have like 600+ Hfe, no wonder it didnt work right.